This podcast is a break with tradition for the Innovise Guys. Here, Doug interviews Gregg about the publication of Jack's Notebook, a business fable about creative problem solving. It's a fun interview -- some improvised songs, jokes, and accents happen as they manage to find out why Gregg wrote the book, who it's for, and to discuss some of the aspects of deliberate creativity as they progress. Jack's Notebook could be the first "break out" book that takes the concept of CPS and deliberate creativity to a much broader audience. For more information about Jack's Notebook, go to Gregg's website: www.greggfraley.com, or order it on Amazon.

David Horth, author of The Leaders Edge, creativity and leadership expert, is with the Center for Creative Leadership in Greensborough, NC (www.ccl.org). In this wide-ranging and eclectic interview the Innovise Guys and David cover a wide range of topics, but with a central connection to creative leadership and design. They talk about design as a unifying concept of creativity, innovation, and quality. It's good fun and as usual the Guys talk about seemingly non-related stuff as well, like David's playing of a didgeridoo. David recites lines from Robert Frost and runs through the "six creative competencies" of an innovative leader that he amplifies in his book. David also talks about the goals of, and his role with, the Creative Education Foundation (www.creativeeducationfoundation.org). Check out this lively and content-rich chat.